Ancestors of Christopher John Augustine Morry




Thomas Edward Phelan 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: Cir 1838 - Tipperary, Munster, Ireland 673
    Christening: 
          Death: 3 Jul 1894 - Sydney, New South Wales, Australia ( about age 56) 14,696,4787,5619,7556
         Burial: 4 Jul 1894 - Bronte, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia 23,7557
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Occupation: Draper, miner. 

•  Alt. Birth: Information obtained from a Private Ancestry family tree, 11 Jun 1835, Tipperary, Munster, Ireland. Credibility and source of this information is unknown at this time. 

•  Alt. Birth: Cir 1835, Tipperary, Munster, Ireland. 

•  Immigration: Ireland on board the Rajasthan, Between 23 Jun and 3 Nov 1862, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. Listed as a labourer

He gives his place of origin as "Gavan" which means nothing. Could it perhaps be a mistake and he was mentioning the name of his intended?. 

•  Occupation: Farmer, 24 Jul 1867, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. 

•  Residence: At the time of marriage but ordinarily somewhere else in Victoria, 24 Jul 1867, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. 

•  Alt. Death: 1894, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. 
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First name(s) Thomas E
Last name Phelan
Birth year -
Death year 1894
Registration year 1894
Age at death -
Registration district Sydney
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) Thomas E
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Registration number 887
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Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
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•  Residence: 31 Stanley St., Hyde Park, 3 Jul 1894, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.
Parents 
         Father: Thomas Phelan 697,698
         Mother: Catherine McLoughlin 14,696,697,698
Spouses and Children 
1. *Hanora Gavin 673,3220 
       Marriage: 24 Jul 1867 - Melbourne, Victoria, Australia 698,2491

Marriage Events

•  Alt. Marriage: Cir 1857, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. 

•  Alt. Marriage: 1867, Victoria, Australia. Thomas Edward Phelan

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Name Thomas Edward Phelan
Gender Male
Marriage Registration Date 1867
Marriage Registration Place Victoria, Australia
Spouse 
Hanora Gavin
Reference Number 2813

290424:

Today I ordered and downloaded a copy of the marriage certificate from "Births, Deaths and Marriages Victoria" a website affiliated with the Victoria government. The charge was AUS $22 including tax. The quality of the image was noted on the image to the "Best Quality" but in fact is pretty bad. Nevertheless it does show the names to the parents. In the case of Thomas Edward it states that his father was Thomas Phelan with no middle name, which I personally agree to be correct. Someone in the past made the incorrect assumption that the father and son both had the middle name Edward. I am removing that from the father today. The mother is the important missing fact and it DOES show that she was Catherine McLoughlin, though the writing is pretty hard to read. Nevertheless this is the ONLY document from this family that I have personally seen which actually shows her surname. A big surprise was the names of the bride and her parents. While her name was shown as Hanora rather than Norah (both commonly substituted for one another) the names of her parents are completely different from what I had as her parents names - William Gavin and Julia (?). Instead the marriage certificate shows their names as Mauris Gavin (hard to read but probably meant to be Maurice, which was the name she gave to one of their sons) and Bridget Carthy (probably shortened from McCarthy). 

•  Minister/Priest: George N. (?) Barry, RC Priest, St. Francis Church, 24 Jul 1867, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. 

•  Witnesses: Dominick (?) Brazzman (?), Elizabeth Rourke (?)  and Sarah Ann (?) Gardner, 24 Jul 1867, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. All names are at least partially illegible, written by the witnesses who may not have been all that literate. 
Marriage Notes 




Thomas Edward Phelan

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Name Thomas Edward Phelan
Gender Male
Marriage Registration Date 1867
Marriage Registration Place Victoria, Australia
Spouse 
Hanora Gavin
Reference Number 2813

290424:

Today I ordered and downloaded a copy of the marriage certificate from "Births, Deaths and Marriages Victoria" a website affiliated with the Victoria government. The charge was AUS $22 including tax. The quality of the image was noted on the image to the "Best Quality" but in fact is pretty bad. Nevertheless it does show the names to the parents. In the case of Thomas Edward it states that his father was Thomas Phelan with no middle name, which I personally agree to be correct. Someone in the past made the incorrect assumption that the father and son both had the middle name Edward. I am removing that from the father today. The mother is the important missing fact and it DOES show that she was Catherine McLoughlin, though the writing is pretty hard to read. Nevertheless this is the ONLY document from this family that I have personally seen which actually shows her surname. A big surprise was the names of the bride and her parents. While her name was shown as Hanora rather than Norah (both commonly substituted for one another) the names of her parents are completely different from what I had as her parents names - William Gavin and Julia (?). Instead the marriage certificate shows their names as Mauris Gavin (hard to read but probably meant to be Maurice, which was the name she gave to one of their sons) and Bridget Carthy (probably shortened from McCarthy).

No. on Register: 1837
When and where married: July 24 1867, Church of St. Francis, Melbourne
Name and Surname of the Parties:
Thomas Edward Phelan
Hanora Gavin
Condition of the Parties:
Bachelor or Spinster, If a Widower or Widow, Date of Decease of Former Wife or Husband
Bachelor
Spinster
Children by each former marriage - Living - Dead
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Birthplace
County Tipperary, Ireland
County Tipperary, Ireland
Rank or Profession:
Farmer
Dressmaker
Ages:
29
26
Residence - Present - Usual
Melbourne - Victoria
Collins St., Mebourne - Melbourne
Parents
Names (Mother's Maiden Name)
Thomas Phelan
Catherine McLoughlin

Mauris [sic] Gavin
Bridget Carthy

Father's Rank or Profession
Farmer
Farmer

2813

I, George N. Barry, being a Roman Catholic Priest
do hereby certify, that I have this day, at St. Francis Church, Melbourne
celebrated Marriage between Thomas Edward Phelan of Melbourne, Farmer
and Hanora Gavin of Collins St., Melbourne, Dressmaker
after Notice and Declaration duly made and published, as by Law required (and with the written consent of __________)
Dated this 24 day of July 1867
Signature of Minister, Registrar-General or other Officer - G. N. Barry Signature

Marriage, by License, was solemnized between us Thomas Edward Phelan - Hanora Gavin
according to the rites of the Roman Catholic Church
Witnesses:
Dominick [?] Braggman [?]
Elizabeth Bourke
Sarah Ann Gardner




       Children:
                1. Pte Thomas Gavin Phelan AIF
                2. Pte Maurice Phelan AIF
Notes
General:
Notes from David Stevens:

Living 31 Haley Street, Sydney at time of death. Spent 26 years in the Colonies, 21 in New South Wales and 5 in New Zealand.

Death registered as PHELAN.

230424 from FMP:

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First name(s) Thomas E
Last name Phelan
Birth year -
Death year 1894
Registration year 1894
Age at death -
Registration district Sydney
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) Thomas E
Mother's first name(s) Catherine
Registration number 887
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
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Note that this version of the death record does not give the exact date, nor does it give his mother's surname, which David Stevens has said does appear on the death record as McLoughlin.

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240424:

This information was provided to me today by Phil Ryan (ryanpt66) who has a private family tree on Ancestry that includes this person:

Hi Christopher,
Thomas Edward Phelan 1835\endash 1894
BIRTH 11 JUN 1835 • County Tipperary, Ireland
DEATH 3 JUL 1894 • Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Death of father Thomas Edward Phelan (1795\endash 1851)
1851 • Killurane, Cloughjordan, Tipperary, Ireland
Death of mother Catherine (Kate) McLoughlin (1798\endash 1852)
1852 • Killurane, Cloughjordan, Tipperary, Ireland

Marriage
1867 • Victoria, Australia
Norah Gavin
(1834\endash 1918)

i hope this is of some help.

Warm Regards, Phil

300424:
Yesterday I found and downloaded the original of his marriage register where it shows his mother's maiden name as McLoughlin. I was not able to find his death record because this occurred in NSW not in Victoria and their downloadable records are not as easy to access (those in Victoria are downloadable for a fee). I have asked David Stevens if he has the death record but he has not been able to provide it in a legible fom.

I have also not been able to find the missing information on the family's travel to New Zealand from Ireland and from New Zealand to Australia the second time, though obviously it did occur because both the sons we know of were born in New Zealand and their records of birth have been found.

Pte Thomas Gavin Phelan AIF 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: 1 Jul 1869 - Thames, Waikato, North Island, New Zealand 7558,7559,7560
    Christening: 
          Death: 15 Aug 1950 - Waverley, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia ( at age 81) 4785
         Burial: Cir 15 Aug 1950 - Bronte, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia 4785
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Alt. Birth: Cir 1868, Australia. 

•  Occupation: Clerk in Public Works Department, NSW, Between 27 Aug 1896 and 1912, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. With a raise in station effective 1 July 1909. 

•  Residence: 1908, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. 

•  Military: Pte 1707 in Australian Imperial Force, 2 Reinforcements, 56 Battalion, 14th Infantry Brigade, 5th Australian Division, Between 27 Jan 1916 and 28 Nov 1917, Cootamundra, New South Wales, Australia. Enlisted 27 Jan 1916, Demobbed due to medical reasons 28 Nov 1917. 

•  Occupation: Labourer, 27 Jan 1916, Cootamundra, New South Wales, Australia. 

•  Physical Description: 44 yrs, 5 mos. 5 ft 7 in; 36-37 chest; fair complexion; blue eyes; iron grey hair, 27 Jan 1916, Cootamundra, New South Wales, Australia. T.P. Tatoo Mark inside left arm. 

•  Departure: On board H.M.A.T. A40 "Ceramic", 14 Apr 1916, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. 

•  Departure: en route back to Australia on H.T. Barambah, 8 Apr 1917, Plymouth, Devon, England. 

•  Military: Awarded Silver War Badge and Certificate, 6 Apr 1918, Manchester, Lancashire, England. Address given as No. 30 Collincroft, Hollinwood. 

•  Military: Awarded British War Medal # 39918 and Victory Medal #39181, Cir 1919, Wallasey, Metropolitan Borough of Wirral, Merseyside, England.
Parents 
         Father: Thomas Edward Phelan 14,4787,4788
         Mother: Hanora Gavin 673,3220
        Marriage Did Not Marry
Notes
General:
120714:

He is first cousin to Jamie's grannie Bridget Hough Quinlisk

Thomas James Phelan 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: 11 Jun 1857 - Bendigo, Victoria, Australia 7561,7562
    Christening: 13 Jun 1857 - Bendigo, Victoria, Australia 14
          Death: 19 Jul 1858 - Tipperary Gully, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia ( at age 1) 14,7563
         Burial: 20 Jul 1858 - Bendigo, Victoria, Australia 14
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Sponsors: Martin PHELAN, Mary GAYNOR, 13 Jun 1857, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia.
Parents 
         Father: James Phelan 1772
         Mother: Julia Barry 14,1772
        Marriage Did Not Marry
Notes
General:
Notes from David Stevens:

Lived 13 months.

Thomas Martin Phelan 
      Sex: M
AKA: Tom Phelan 14
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: 1859 - Sandhurst, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia 19
    Christening: 
          Death: 7 Apr 1905 - Rushworth, Victoria, Australia ( at age 46) 14,3801,6476
         Burial: After 7 Apr 1905 - Corop, Victoria, Australia 14
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Alt. Birth: Cir 1857, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia. Registered Victoria 1857/3742. 

•  Alt. Birth: 1857, Sandhurst, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia. 
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First name(s) Thomas
Last name Phelan
Sex Male
Birth year 1857
Birth place Sandhurst
Father's name Martin
Mother's name Sarah
Mother's last name Costello
Registration number 3742
State Victoria
Country Australia
Record set Victoria Births
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Subcategory Civil Births
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Parents 
         Father: Martin Phelan 3801
         Mother: Sarah Costello 14
Spouses and Children 
1. *Anne McCarthy 14 
       Marriage: 3 Jul 1888 - Victoria, Australia 14,2491
Marriage Notes 




Notes from David Stevens:

Registered Victoria 1889/832.

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First name(s) Thomas
Last name Phelan
Sex Male
Marriage year 1889
Spouse's first name(s) Anne
Spouse's last name McCarthy
State Victoria
Country Australia
Record set Victoria Marriages 1836-1942
Registration number 832
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
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       Children:
                1. Annie Phelan
                2. Sarah Phelan
                3. Honorah Agnes Phelan
                4. William McCarthy Phelan
                5. Thomas Martin Phelan
                6. John James Phelan
Notes
General:
Notes from David Stevens:

Possibly born in Back Creek.

1903 Victoria (Rushworth) Electoral Roll in Wanalta; farmer

Thomas Martin Phelan 
      Sex: M
AKA: Tom Phelan 14
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: Cir 1900 - Rushworth, Victoria, Australia 5458,7564
    Christening: 
          Death: 1 Aug 1982 - Bendigo, Victoria, Australia ( about age 82) 14,5459
         Burial: After 1 Aug 1982 - Rushworth, Victoria, Australia 14,7565
 Cause of Death:
Parents 
         Father: Thomas Martin Phelan 14
         Mother: Anne McCarthy 14
Spouses and Children 
1. *Bridget Doreen Hogan 14,2491 
       Marriage: Cir 1932 - Victoria, Australia 14,2491
Marriage Notes 




Notes from David Stevens:

Registered 1932/908.

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First name(s) Thomas Martin
Last name Phelan
Sex Male
Marriage year 1932
Spouse's first name(s) Bridget Doreen
Spouse's last name Hogan
State Victoria
Country Australia
Record set Victoria Marriages 1836-1942
Registration number 908
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
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       Children:
                1. James Thomas Phelan
                2. Living
Notes
General:
Notes from David Stevens:


Was 11 when his mother died.

1936, 1937, 1942, 1949, 1954, 1963, 1968, 1972, 1977, 1980 Victoria (Rushworth) Electoral Roll at Colbinabbin East; farmer.

Thomas Peter Phelan 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: 6 Jul 1861 - Back Creek, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia 7566,7567
    Christening: 7 Jul 1861 - Bendigo, Victoria, Australia 14
          Death: 8 Jan 1916 - Wellington, New Zealand ( at age 54) 14
         Burial: 10 Jan 1916 - Karori, Wellington, Manawatu-Wanganui, North Island, New Zealand 14
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Occupation: Shoemaker. 

•  Occupation: Storeman; Kempthorne & Prosser Limited, Wellington, New Zealand. 

•  Baptism: 7 Jul 1861, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia. Sponsors John COOPER and Eliza HOWE. Priest Fr BARKHAUS (copy of certicate held). 

•  Arrival: Arrival, on board RESULT via Panama Canal, Nov 1863, London, Greater London, England. Returned to Ireland via Suez Canal 1863.

Returned to England on the "Result" arriving London November 1863 (James age 29, Julia age 23, Catherine age 3, Mary age 4, Thos age 1) recorded as PHALAN.
. 

•  Immigration: aboard the NIMROD from London. via The Downs, Kent leaving 12 Aug 1864, 17 Dec 1864, New Zealand. Arrived in NZ 17 December 1864 on the Nimroud from London, England (departed The Downs, Kent 12 August 1864) accompanied by Julia (wife), Mary, Catherine, Thomas, and Julia.
.
Parents 
         Father: James Phelan 1772
         Mother: Julia Barry 14,1772
Spouses and Children 
1. *Clara Rosina Bennett 14 
       Marriage: 23 Dec 1903 - Wellington, New Zealand 14
Marriage Notes 




Notes from David Steven:

St. Mark's Church witnesses John BRAMLEY and R A LEWIS; date shown as 17 December 1903 when daughter's birth registered.  Registered Wellington 1903/5884.


       Children:
                1. Eileen Julia Phelan
Notes
General:
Notes from David Stevens:


Arrived in NZ 17 December 1864 on ship Nimrod. 1887 Lot 2 Commercial Road. Later lived in 9 Elizabeth Street, Wellington, NZ and was employed by Kempthorne and Prosser.

Was 23 when his father died (1885) and 46 when mother died (1907).

Extract from father's Will: "after the decease of my said wife I give and devise said land and house to my son THOMAS PETER and his heirs.

I give and devise unto my said son THOMAS PETER and his heirs - twenty six feet of Lot Three (3) of said subdivision also eighty acres land at Aotea, (Gt Barrier)."

Living Wellington when married.

1905-06, 1909 and 1911 Wellington East Electoral Roll at 21 Elizabeth Street; storeman.

Was living at 9 Elizabeth Street, Wellington, a foreman age 40.

Was employed by Kempthorne & Prosser Limited.

William John Phelan 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: Cir 1875 - Corop, Victoria, Australia 14,7568
    Christening: 26 Oct 1876 14
          Death: 
         Burial: 
 Cause of Death:
Parents 
         Father: Martin Phelan 3801
         Mother: Sarah Costello 14
Spouses and Children 



Notes

General: 




Notes from David Stevens:

Married, no issue.








William McCarthy Phelan






      Sex: M


AKA: Bill McCarthy 14 


Individual Information



     Birth Date: Cir 1898 - Beechworth, Victoria, Australia 7569
    Christening: 
          Death: 31 Mar 1977 - Bendigo, Victoria, Australia ( about age 79) 14
         Burial: 
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Occupation: Inspector of schools. 




Parents



         Father: Thomas Martin Phelan 14
         Mother: Anne McCarthy 14




Spouses and Children



1. *Monica Sharpe 14 
       Marriage: Cir 1925 - Victoria, Australia 14
Marriage Notes 




Notes from David Stevens:

Registered 1925/8035.


       Children:
                1. Living
                2. Living
                3. Living




Notes

General: 




Notes from David Stevens:


Lived in Melbourne.

1924 Victoria (Parkville) Electoral Roll at 189 Royal Parade; school teacher.
1931, 1936, 1937, 1942 Victoria (Brunswick West) Electoral Roll at 11 Ferry Crescent, teacher.
1949 Victoria (Golden Square) Electoral Roll at 693 High Street,; inspector of schools.
1963, 1968 Victoria (Essendon West) Electoral Roll at 40 Price Street; school inspector.
1972 Victoria (Essendon West) Electoral Roll at 40 Price Street; inspector.
1977 Victoria (Golden Square) Elecotal Roll in Bethlehem Home, Taylor Street.








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Parents



         Father: Living
         Mother: Living








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      Sex: M




Spouses and Children



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Marriage Notes 




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       Children:
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